Friday, November 10, 2006


I'm busy writing Nightside Spin for tonight's show. I'm calling the fourth seat dead.


Blogger Alienated Wannabe said...

I hope the fourth seat is temporarily dead. Rather than go in with DC, I would prefer to see Utah wait for the next census. We don't need to rush to send another Republican to a Democrat congress.

11/10/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger painter said...

I wouldn't worry about a fourth seat, the three of what you have will surely bring not much pork, Utah definitely needs a little more representative on the left thinking venue.

It surely must be exasperating to have a senator run on seniority and then be in the minority, kind of like an oxymoron.

I just can't imagine how much the next six years will seem like a waste because of the stay the course mentality.

I can't wait to see what Mr. Hatch's function will be in the senate, it will have to be stately don't you think.

Too bad, I'll miss those stern lectures he likes to give America the democratic Republic of America.

Hope Mitt Romney doesn't move back to Utah to launch his campaign for president, for surely it will fail since Utah is now the Rediest Red State of the Union. It could become quite embarrassing.

But if he does, then he might not have to use any higher education e-mail, what a relief that would be to BYU and the higher ups in the church.

At least the brethren have Senator Reid to bolster the cause of what is so polarizing to outsider like me about Utah.

11/10/2006 06:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paitner, give me a break. What crap! So if you are from the bluest of blue states that's okay, but if you happen to be red it's an embarrassment. If you look at the results of this election, you will notice that the Dems that won in many races ran on a "values" platform full of conservative principles like pro life and pro family. they also made sure their usual advocates, aka Hollywood, went completely silent this election. It will be interesting to see if this new conservative democratic house will be able to vote the way they campaigned or if they will be silenced by Nancy Pelosi. And Senator Reid is an embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. Let's start quoting him and his Ahlzeimer moments.

11/11/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger Oldenburg said...

right...Democrats won because they ran on conservative cultural issues...right. Like the Iraq War, corruption, overspending, raising the minimum wage, health care, trade.

A handful of conservative Democrats got elected...most of the class of 2006 are moderate to liberal.

I hope that Utah and DC get their rightful seats. I just don't trust Bush to have good intentions.

11/11/2006 11:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is English your first language?

11/14/2006 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger The Senate Site said...

I'm seeing signs of life.

Maybe it was only mostly dead.

11/14/2006 07:41:00 PM  
Blogger Alienated Wannabe said...

Ric, How can we kill it all the way?

I am concerned about the Constitutional questions raised by the District of Columbia gaining a seat in Congress. I am not convinced that it is legal without amending the Constitution.

Remember, during the Carter Administration, just such an amendment was proposed. But, it was rejected by the majority of state legislatures in this country. The people spoke through their elected representatives acting within our system of Federalism. The answer was "no."

Now, this latest effort appears to be trying to do an end-around the Constitution, robbing the individual state legislatures of their rightful voice in the matter. Thus, beyond being a short-sighted power grab for Utah and the District of Columbia, the proposed legislation is also a power grab by the Federal Government over the individual states.

The District of Columbia was created as kind of a neutral territory, fully controlled by the states together--the United States--not the local population. Inch by inch, it now appears to be gradually creeping toward all the rights and powers of statehood.

That reality would create a completely new dynamic which may not be in the best interest of the nation as a whole. We have learned from sad experience that the Law of Unintended Consequences frequently comes in to play with such things.

Have we really thought this thing through? Do we really want the seat of our national government controlled by a local government over which we have no power? That appears to be where we are going. But, that is not the vision provided by the Constitution.

Ironically, Utah, of all places, is pushing for this undermining of the Constitution, because we want a fourth seat so badly. But, why? Honestly, how much are we really going to get out of it? I personally can wait four years until the next census, if doing so helps to preserve Federalism in this country.

Granted, as a Republican, I am not eager to see such a geographically small, and extremely liberal, area gain so much power in the Senate. (Once the precedent of granting DC representation in the House is established, there ultimately will be no basis for denying it full Senate representation.) But, my position is not based upon political expediency. I am honestly concerned about the principle of Federalism in this country and the loss of a neutral seat for our national government.

What is your position?

11/15/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oldenburg - the conservative base cut because of immigration. The Dems didn't "win" on any of the issues you named. Republicans lost because they didn't fulfill their campaign promises. Watch out Dems Americans are not as stupid as politicians would like to think we are. You have to deliver on what you say you're going to do - remember "no new taxes". I don't think the Dems can deliver because it was never about any of those issues. They were intellectually dishonest, and it was all about Hate Bush. Any bets on how long we end up in Iraq?

11/16/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger Alienated Wannabe said...

The good news is that Jeremy Roberts and some other party activists are going to introduce a resolution at the next Salt Lake County Republican Party Central Committee meeting on December 2nd in an effort to stop this bad piece of legislation. (See related Deseret Morning News article)

I urge all like-minded individuals to show up and join in the fight. Perhaps it would even be a good idea to contact Jeremy in advance and offer to help him organize a lobbying effort directed toward both elected officials and grass roots activists. (We should each be calling our own representatives now anyway.)

He's a pretty good fund-raiser from his time on the Lincoln Club, maybe a quality mailer or something could be prepared that would explain all the problems with the current proposal. I found the following telephone number for Jeremy on the web: (801) 545-0105

I am assuming that it is still current, and that it is okay with him to distribute it. But, if not, this would not be the first that I was presumptuous.

11/18/2006 09:53:00 AM  

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