Monday, May 29, 2006


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Anonymous John Marlor said...

Read with interest and fear the editorial in the Deserted News about how Utah is smart in bucking the trend of state sanctioned lotteries to support education. Real smart guys how much money heads to Idaho each month for their lottery? Yes by all means let us keep underfunding education in this state,demanding people with no or a reasonable number of children, let us put a number of two(2) just to make a number, foot the bill for those who can't count or think this is still the 19th century where you needed a small army of children just to make sure some survived. What in the name of God's Green Earth makes the editors of that esteemed(?) paper think that the trend of lotteries to finance education vs. the sale of booze by the state will loose its appeal? Their stance is nothing but a smoke screen and an insult to the intellegence of the public at large. Could it be that another institution is afraid that it will cut into their take of someones paycheck? Is it that it would lower the states income tax burden? Could it be that ruling powers don't want to give the public the opportunity to choose how their money is spent? Why does the state want to continue to force the tax payer to foot the bill for the continued status quo of students who can't spell, can't read, has outdated books, can't construct a decent sentence, who have to try to recieve an education in classrooms that are overcrowded by people that are under paid for the task they are required to do? Yes by all means let Utah remain at or near the bottom of the list of money spent on education because we oppose alternative methods of funding. Hey smart guys how much money do you think makes its way out of this state to Nevada and Idaho and any state that has a lottery or gambling? Dark age boys I am positive that the crowds in Wendover don't come from Nevada. Time to move in a different direction for the funding of education..time to for everuone to pay their fair share and quit freeloading off of the rest of us.

5/30/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What nonsense. First of all would someone please put a dollar amount on "funding". Tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth. Are we really "underfunded" or do we just continue to snow the public about how much money is really spent and where it goes? Have you ever checked out how much money is spent on education that is never included in the "per pupil funding" equation? Why? Because if the public really knew how much was being spent, the education establishment couldn't continue to scream.

Did you know that when a school receives a donation, it is not included in how much is spent per student? When the teacher in the classroom is given $250 for supplies, that it not included in the per pupil spending? When a local high school receives over $100,000 worth of computer equipment and software that is not included in per pupil spending? Does it impact the student? You bet it does! Why isn't it acknowledged?

They say that they spend under $3,000 per student, but when all taxes are included it is closer to $7,000 per student, much more if you include the grants, gifts, etc. Why the deception?

Salaries - Several years ago (before this latest raise) the average salary was $35,000 (rounded to $36,000 for ease in the math) for 180 days of teaching. At the elementary level that is an average of 5.5 hours per day. Now let's do the math. It's approximately $36.00 per hour. Now let's be generous and give them 8 hours a day so they can have prep time - that is $25.00 per hour. Now let's take that for a 40 hour week, 48 weeks of the year (allowing for holidays and a two week vacation.) You get $48,000 at $25/hr. and over $69,000 at $36/hr., plus benefits that most private sector employees can not get.

Teaching is tough and I applaud those that do it well. I teach and I know how hard it is. But the system is broken and allowing another bad system like lotteries and gambling to come in to prop up this system is not the answer.

Take a lesson from the states that have tried it. It is a failure. It has come with such great societal costs that it has not done what it was supposed to do.

5/30/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Stenar said...

Previous studies have shown that when various forms of gambling are legalized, it just moves money around from one place to another.
Money that would have been spent on food or other misc. items gets spent on lottery tickets and the money is moved from one sector of the economy to another.
Sales taxes go down, but lottery proceeds go up. The overall pie of money does not increase.
Only places like Vegas, Atlantic City (and Wendover) that draw people from outside their borders actually increase their share of the pie of money.
So, if Utah legalized gambling and people stopped going to Wendover and Idaho, Utah might be able to recoup some of the funds Utahns spend on gambling.
However, gambling brings with it other societal ills: drugs, prostitution, other misc. crime, which costs more in taxes to pay for increased police activity.
Policy decisions like this are very complicated and just legalizing gambling will not solve education's problems.

5/30/2006 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger The Senate Site said...

Ethan is the only blogger I know who can incite a substantive discussion with a three-word blog post.

5/30/2006 03:52:00 PM  
Blogger JM Bell said...

While I agree with The Senate Site I have to disagree with the tone of his post.

Well, not really, just keeping in practice.

Hey, Ethan, it's Wednesday already, post something, will ya? And make it funny

5/31/2006 08:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey john.....move to Vegas.

5/31/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Rob said...

John did move to Vegas, they sent him back!

I'm glad they did.

5/31/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous John Marlor said...

anymouse... dig a hole and crawl in you selfrightous peice of haidang. By the way what do you teach interolance, bigotry and the like? If you are a teacher and I don't buy for a minute that you are, you should give all the money that the state has paid you back for you are a disgrace to education. You move to Vegas. I am glad I came back from Vegas just to put a burr under the saddle of people like you. You are so far right that you are beside yourself. Thanks Rob, I know that you will help in the fight against tyranny and narrowmindedness that seems to some to be a way of government in this state. Another item you and your spendthrifts on the hill...Thanks for nothing especially the 15 million dollar boondoggle(know what that means?) they voted for.. I HAVE A BETTER IDEA PUT IT IN THE LOTTERY!!!!

5/31/2006 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey john...the two anonymous are not the same people. I am the one that told you to move to vegas.

How do you know that the state is paying the anonymous teacher? How do you know what he/she teaches?

I didn't realize that not wanting the lottery is narrow minded. I guess I had better change my tune.

You don't put a burr under my saddle, but you sure do bring a good laugh. Keep it up with your ranting.

How do you know that I am on the right at all? I just don't want the lottery brought to Utah.

6/01/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear John: I guess your definition of narrow mindedness is : You don't agree with me. If the majority is doing something (lottery) and you don't agree, you're narrow minded, but if the majority is doing something (alcohol laws) and you don't agree you're broadminded and those with the majority are narrow minded. Humm, more duplicity from those who are not "right".

6/01/2006 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous John Marlor said...

Well we are all narrowminded in our own ways. Sometimes it is fun to stir the pot to see what floats to the surface. I am almost sure that a lottery has about as much chance as s snow ball in hell of ever being sanctioned but someone has to shake the tree. The people of this state are burdened with one of the highest personal income taxes in the nation and many are not paying their fair share. The government of this state is giving the farm away to big business blackmail for no taxes, refusing to help the state pay for the increase in population to increase their bottom line. To the two anymouses or anymice whatever if you blog under the same name who is to know who is who and the comments to one or comments from one cannot be seperated, mia culpa, We all have our pet peeves and I guess mine is the idea that anyone who opposes the powers in charge is some vile, anti-american low life who wants to destroy the state or the nation. Remember stiring the pot brings various veggies to the top, some are edible and some are hard to swallow, but they all make the soup taste better in the grand scheme of things. Boy I know that statement is going come back to haunt me at some time in the future..Fear not good bloggers I will continue my rants and some of them may surpise you and me also. Three cheers for the First Amendment!!!! Down with tyrants and their attempts to take our rights away. One of the great things about this country is that we can agree to disagree.

6/01/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear John: Interesting post. Your comment "We all have our pet peeves and I guess mine is the idea that anyone who opposes the powers in charge is some vile, anti-american low life who wants to destroy the state or the nation. " is especially interesting in the sense that one of the anonymouses that you ranted against actually doesn't like the establishment, but was still called names. Ranting is one thing - I do it on a regular basis! But name calling and lack of logic is another thing entirely.

6/01/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous john Marlor said...

You are right and I am in error on the name calling thing. I should be above that and admit that it was an error in judgement on my part.

6/01/2006 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's "mea culpa".

6/01/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guess I'm busted,now you know that Latin is not my language. What can I say maybe I was thinking of Mia Farrow? My bad none the less. Which of you caught it. Move to Vegas or the other one?

6/01/2006 07:00:00 PM  
Anonymous john marlor said...

Now you have me confused as to who is who and who anymouse is. I think I kind of know who I am sometimes maybe or not.

6/01/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous move to vegas said...


I am more than willing to let you stir the pot and rant, but it is good to know that there are others who might be stirring the other direction.

You definitely bring a different flavor to the blog and the fact that you will no longer resort to name calling because someone does not agree with you is refreshing. There are others who are not as big.

6/02/2006 08:16:00 AM  

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