Thursday, January 26, 2006

The One With The Trains

I understand the train thing will make it the most collected of the quarters (if Utah picks this design). It's also leading in the Tribune online poll with over 53% of the vote so far. Still, I don't like it. I don't want to disparage the historical importance of "The Golden Spike", but it just doesn't say "Utah" to me. It was Utah's first experience with out of state companies bringing in out of state workers and materials to build a project meant for the two coasts. We had to build a separete spur to SLC. The railroad was in the middle of nowhere when it came through Utah. If one company or the other had built a little faster, this would be the quarter design for Nevada or Wyoming. After all, Nevada supplied a ceremonial spike to the occasion, Arizona Territory did as well. Sadly, there was no ceremonial spike from Utah Territory. So here's my question: How exactly does this design represent Utah?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

nobody outside of Utah will know what that is suppose to represent. I can only imagine the commentary from people around the US trying to figure out why a big stake is between two trains that look like they are going to crash.


1/26/2006 03:48:00 PM  
Blogger Reach Upward said...

The railroad (robber barons and all) was the first step in Utah becoming part of the larger U.S. culture, eventually leading to statehood. The territory was established for isolationism, allowing the settlers to develop their own peculiar culture. The railroad was the catalyst that caused all of that to change. Of course, you can still argue that our culture is pretty peculiar, but it really isn't terribly different than the larger U.S. culture.

1/26/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh great...

Just what Utah needs - a huge phallic symbol on our quarter.

Perhaps we can say it has something to do with polygamy?

1/26/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We had to build a separate spur to SLC. The railroad was in the middle of nowhere when it came through Utah."

It sounds like another Salt Laker who can't fathom the fact that at one point, Ogden was the most important city in Utah.

1/26/2006 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger Ethan said...

What's Ogden?

1/26/2006 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger Pete Ashdown said...

I like the beehive.

1/27/2006 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Ogden even in Utah? I thought that was Idaho.

1/27/2006 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least the beehive state is the name of the state, and those back east will actually learn something about Utah (other than it is somewhere west of the Mississippi). I am not too fond of the two trains as the Utah state symbol....more people will see these quarters than ever learned about Utah in US History. Maybe the Vanderbilt family is secretly funding the Utah Quarter Operation!!!

1/27/2006 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger steve u. said...

Why are people saying collectors will be so excited about this version?

1/27/2006 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


1/27/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rocky Anderson should be on the back of the new quarter.

After all, Rocky does what’s best for us and his endorsements represent Utah, everything else is wrong.

1/27/2006 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Ryan F said...

I like the spike...the snowboarder is ridiculous, the Beehive is okay, but we already have that on our state seal.

Truth is the spike is a big deal in our state history.

The argument that nobody will know what its about is mute because look at most of the other quarters out you instantly know they speak for their state? No. So I say given the three choices we have its not all that bad...

I personally would have preferred the delicate speaks for our landscape, is unique to Utah, and well known.

But then - I'm just one person and I can't make a difference. I just like to say that whenever I can...

1/27/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Meghan said...

I say go with the beehive. One of my worst childhood memories is making the long boring drive to Promontory Point only to be very disappointed. I didn't think the drive was worth it. That being said, I am sure there will come a time I drag my own kids out there.

1/27/2006 12:27:00 PM  
Blogger Ethan said...

Response to Steve U.

Apparently, trains excite collectors more than anything. I read an article (convenient I can't remember where) that said if the train design wins, it will be the most collectible of all quarters. So, it's a train thing I guess.

1/27/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Blogger pramahaphil said...

What about the Angel Moroni? To religious?

But seriously, the trains is okay. I think the beehive is the way to go. However, if you want to have something significant in Utah history you'd have to include the pioneers, or (to make the religiphobes happy) spotlight an Indian tribe.

1/27/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why not just throw it all out, and go with a man boxing a kangaroo?

1/27/2006 06:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can hear the trains all the way uuup in the avenues?!
All of them look ridiculous!
How about having a snowboard in the upper right corner, bottom left corner a beehive, upper left corner the silhouette of the mountains, and the bottom left corner INEQUALITY on all levels!!! And the middle would be blank for the nation to figure it out

1/27/2006 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ethan said:

"Sadly, there was no ceremonial spike from Utah Territory.

So here's my question: How exactly does this design represent Utah?"

C'mon're a History major. YOU of all people should know the significance of the Transcontinental railroad meeting in Utah. It's not about the stakes, it's about the meeting itself.

If the SLC Mormon temple was made of marble imported from Oregon, would it cease to be unique to Utah just because the materials it was constructed from were from somewhere else?

And about the Beehive idea - if people don't know how the transcontinental railroad affects Utah history, how the hell are they gonna know about how the beehive does?

I like the Golden Spike design, but if you're gonna go with something else do a snowboarder ao the Delicate Arch.

1/28/2006 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say go with Delicate Arch...or better yet...the "Mittens" in Monument Valley just to piss off everyone from Arizona by reminding them that a significant portion of that park resides in Utah.

1/28/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger pramahaphil said...

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1/29/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger pramahaphil said...

Point is the railroad finished here in Utah by serendipity. Yes, it was a great moment in the history of this country. However it is had nothing to do with Utah or its people, Utah just happenned to be where the building crews connected. I'm saying the symbol they put on the quarter should be something that is truely reflective of the history of the people of this state, and the railroad doesn't do it for me.

The beehive works because it is the actual state symbol. A comemoration of the pioneers would be a good historical symbol, because it is reflective of the people that originally settled the state. I know the snowboarder is hoaky, but I think it is far more reflective of Utah than the Transcontinental Railroad.

The delcate arch would be a good idea as well.

1/29/2006 07:31:00 AM  
Blogger Charley Foster said...

The Salt Lake Trib would oppose a pioneer because the pioneers were Mormons and that would be, like, another flash point in Utah's religious divide.

1/30/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the Mtn Medows Massacre would be a good picture.

1/30/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By that arguement Anon, Alabama should have a hound chasing an African-American on their quarter.

1/30/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger Charley Foster said...

The Commemorative Hall of Shame Series.

1/30/2006 10:11:00 AM  
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