Monday, January 23, 2006

Buttars v. Monkeys

The Buttars v. Monkeys bill has passed the Senate. To many people, that's no surprise. I was mildly surprised. I honestly thought the Senate wouldn't go for it. Looking at the vote tally, you'll notice Senator Buttars was absent and did not vote. He spent the weekend in the hospital with diabetes complications. I think maybe some of the win was a sympathetic "hey, he's in the hospital, let's give it to him" vote.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe I feel that accepted English grammar goes against my faith, and so a bill should go before the senate that requires English teachers to teach that they don't endorse one way of writing over another, and that there isn't a consensus among scholars about the best way to speak and write.

1/23/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Diabetes is a myth foisted on god-fearing christians by evolutions that want to make us believe that we evolved from monkey spunk and thereby justify their twisted gay agenda.

1/23/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


my apologies to slcspin

1/23/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger sarahbellum said...

is this where i should pity him, but i don't?

1/23/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous justin said...

Oh, this is too rich. Talk about faith and an intelligent designer, but turn to science and medicine when the blood glucose gets too high. Who designed those troublesome islet cells, Senator?

1/23/2006 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If something is a theory, you don't teach it as fact. It's that simple. Just state that evolution is a theory. Why would you want to protect a lie? What's so harmful about saying it's a theory?

1/23/2006 04:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gravity is still a theory.

1/23/2006 04:35:00 PM  
Blogger didymus said...

I remember thinking that any anti-evolution bill wouldn’t get very far, but then I read an old Deseret News poll and saw that 2/3rds of Utahns wanted ID taught in schools. Now I wouldn’t be surprised if it sails through the House as well. I think only a veto from the governor will bring it down. I doubt that proponents of the bill will be able to garner enough votes to override the veto.

1/23/2006 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if an Intelligent Designer created people, why cant he give humans the intelligence to cure themselves as well? I think that your argument regarding the mutually exclusive nature of science and religion is extremely weak. When did they become separate?

1/23/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Electricity is a theory.

1/23/2006 06:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smokin Joe Wilson at Hinckley doing da shizzle thang

1/24/2006 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Ed said...

When this thing passes the House and is signed by the gov (and it will, this being a state that supports BushCo by 61%), I look forward to the Buttars Monkey Trial.

1/24/2006 07:27:00 AM  
Blogger CapitalCarnage said...

How many of your readers have actually read S.B.96? It has been dramatically watered down and renders most of your readers comments off base. Having said that it is still a silly law.

1/24/2006 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

communism works- in theory

1/24/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

teach science at school, teach religion at home. WHY IS THAT SO HARD?

christians, get over yourselves.

1/24/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Chayce- I was getting alittle nervous about the readers of SLCspin myself. The senate watered down the bill hardcore!! In fact, I am guessing Senator Buttars will be pretty upset when he returns from the hospital to see that there is no meat left in his bill. President Valentine will get an earfull for taking it off the 3rd reading calendar and not circling it and waiting until he got back from the hospital.

1/24/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Logan said...

Teach history at school (which is heavily influenced by religion).
Teach science at school (also has ties to religion).
Teach more religion at home.

It's a Christian country.

atheists get over yourself.

1/24/2006 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The majority is always right.

Let's vote on whether we evolved or not and then teach that.

1/24/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can you back up your statements logan?
what exactly makes this a christian country?

you get so much fucking stupider every time you post

1/24/2006 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My personal philosophy...

If I find out you believe in Intelligent Design, or doubt evolution...I don't have to listen to another word you have to say.

1/24/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous ed said...

"It's a Christian country."

Oh, really? Logan illustrates perfectly the fallacy of the right-wing evangelicals...this country is NOT just "Christian"'s Catholic, Mormon (yes, Logan, that's right...the evangelicals don't consider your religion to be Christian...hence those nutcakes twice a year at Convention), Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jehovah Witness, name it, we got it.

Get over it.

1/25/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Logan said...

Majority is Christian. Some form or another of Christianity.


n 1: a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior [syn: Christianity, Christian religion] 2: the collective body of Christians throughout the world and history (found predominantly in Europe and the Americas and Australia); "for a thousand years the Roman Catholic Church was the principal church of Christendom" [syn: Christendom, Christianity]

Take a look on the internet majority of the country claims christianity.

1/25/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Logan said...

I never mentioned that this is only a Christian country. Majority is Christian. Ed...Catholics are Christian so are a lot of other religions. You need to see what the definition of a Christian is.

My whole aregument was in response to the teach religion at home.

You can't teach a lot of subjects without mentioning religion.

Let's see how much anono-bashing comes from this one.

1/25/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous ed said...

Logan, you need to back up your assertion that this country is majority Christian with a URL. Here's mine (and it's from a religious site, by the way):

“How committed are you to the Christian faith?” (42% said they are “absolutely committed”)

Even if you are right, it matters not. If I'm a Hindu must my child be exposed to your brand of Christianity in my public school? I think not. American was founded on the principle of separation of church and state.

Similarly, if this country eventually becomes majority Hindu, I won't force your children to be exposed to Hinduism.

That's un-American.

1/25/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ed you sound suspiciously like someone educated in a Utah public school because you cite the mantra "separation of church and state". Read the constitution it isn't there. And by the way, if my kid is Christian why do they have to sit through a huge Hannukah lesson and celebration, or be taught all about Ramadan and then of course there is that oh, so esoteric holiday Kwanza. And believe me, he is forced to sit through their brand of religion. (Which I actually don't have a problem with. It's a great educational experience. Maybe you could afford the same type of tolerance.) You can't teach history or science without some discussion of religion because it was central and continues to be central to both. You can't talk about world history or geography without talking about religion. Any reason Christianity, upon which this country was founded is so totally off limits? This must be why kids in the United States (see 20/20 special "Stupid in America") know so little about so much. No one is allowed to mention the Christian religion, so huge segments of history and science are abandoned or revised beyond recognition. I know this started as a site about Buttars' bill, but for anon to say some one isn't worth talking to if they happen to believe in a Creator is in itself bigotted, narrow-minded and intolerant.

1/25/2006 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous ed said...

Neither is "religious liberty" in the Constitution. That's irrelevant. The founders of this country came here to escape religious persecution. It's clear from their writings (see Thomas Jefferson's 1802 letter to the Dansbury Baptists) that they expected there to be a clear separation of church and state. How else could it be? There are lots of different religions, and lots of them proclaim themselves to be "the one true religion". Forcing my child to be exposed to your version of Christianity (there are lots of them...which one are you going to insist on?) is just another form of religious persecution. Please instruct your children at home, or at your church, or send them to a church academy if you feel so strongly about religion in school.

I have no idea what you are talking about when you say your kid is exposed to a "huge Hannukah lesson and celebration, or be taught all about Ramadan and then of course there is that oh, so esoteric holiday Kwanza." If your school board is allowing lessons in any of these religions (as opposed to just mentioning that they that what you object to?), then you'd better get involved in your school board elections. I wouldn't allow my kids to be instructed in any religion, including LDS, or yours, in my kids' public schools.

BTW I was educated in the public schools of California, Washington, Massachusetts, Florida and Mississippi. Sorry, no Utah.

1/25/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Justin said...

How is religion central to science?

History doesn't have many good examples of religion mixing well with scientific claims. The practise of labeling science as "heresy" seems to be surviving strong among the faithful.

1/25/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a big difference teaching about religion and it's influence (in areas such as history) and teaching the concepts of that religion as the "gospel truth".

There's a world of difference between teaching Chritianity's role in the Crudades or the Spanish Inquisition(for example)as part of a history lesson and that of teaching children in a science class that God created the world in 6 days. This of course is if historians teach history. I guess religion could take over history too and teach that God guided Columbus to America or some other such nonsense.

I'd have no problem having my child take a class on comparative religion as an academic subject, but I do have a problem with my child being taught one religion's theory as equally important to science. That kind of stuff should be left at church and at home.

1/26/2006 03:27:00 PM  

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